Well there it is, the dumbest thing anyone has to read today. Kinda takes the pressure off, doesn't it? Thanks @cowbee@lemmy.ml, you've once again proved the old adage that if you can't be a good example you can at least be a horrible warning.
I think that what may be going on here is that Russia has had more artillery shell manufacturing capability than NATO (or did earlier in the year; not sure what the present situation is). Mark Rutte --- as Secretary General of NATO --- highlighted this about halfway through 2025, while urging members to increase their production capacity:
NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte has repeatedly said that Moscow’s annual ammunition production capacity is four times greater than that of the western alliance.
In a keynote speech in London last month, the NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte repeated a warning he has made in public at least three times this year: the western alliance is severely lagging behind Moscow on ammunition production.
“In terms of ammunition, Russia produces in three months what the whole of NATO produces in a year,
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I think that what may be going on here is that Russia has had more artillery shell manufacturing capability than NATO (or did earlier in the year; not sure what the present situation is). Mark Rutte --- as Secretary General of NATO --- highlighted this about halfway through 2025, while urging members to increase their production capacity:
NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte has repeatedly said that Moscow’s annual ammunition production capacity is four times greater than that of the western alliance.
In a keynote speech in London last month, the NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte repeated a warning he has made in public at least three times this year: the western alliance is severely lagging behind Moscow on ammunition production.
“In terms of ammunition, Russia produces in three months what the whole of NATO produces in a year,” Rutte said on 10 June, adding that Putin’s war machine is “speeding up, not slowing down".
Yet the Western alliance is looking to dramatically close the gap in 2025.
The European Commission has set a target to ramp up ammunition production to 2 million rounds per year in 2025, while the US is looking to hit a new target of 100,000 rounds per month by October.
As best I can tell, Russian media grabbed the quote about artillery shell manufacture and ran with it, presenting it in such a way as to convey an impression that Russia has more military-industrial capacity as a whole than NATO does. I imagine that that plays well with domestic audiences, but...
What's good to keep in mind is that Russian (actually: Soviet) artillery is extremely imprecise.
If you want to hit a specific target using Russian-made artillery, you need to shoot, on average, about 10 times as many shots as you would with western artillery. The Russian artillery is just as good as the western one when your goal is to obliterate everything in a large area, but if you've got a specific target, the 10x multiplier does apply!
So, the Russia is very capable of destroying cities with its artillery, but that won't win you any wars. If you want to compare Russian ammo production capacity in terms of how many enemy military objects they are able to destroy, you need to divide the Russian production numbers by ten.
It's incredibly precise. They leveled Gaza by being very precise with their target selection and aim. They were even picking (and hitting) specific rooms in schools and hospitals as a means to justify the whole "they're using human shields, we're still minimizing harm" crap. I wish I was fuckin joking when I say that the precision of western artillery has helped Israel deny shit.
yeah sorry, it might be because my grandma died of anemia at the hospital, both my parents are in burnout, there's no money anywhere meanwhile we're buying F-35s from a bunch of cronies because of UkrAine.
The war is a subsidy to weapon industry on both sides. Nothing else. Ukraine can suck my balls.
If you want support for your cause maybe using it to do austerity isn't the best fucking way.
AWistfulNihilist
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in reply to AWistfulNihilist • • •I think that what may be going on here is that Russia has had more artillery shell manufacturing capability than NATO (or did earlier in the year; not sure what the present situation is). Mark Rutte --- as Secretary General of NATO --- highlighted this about halfway through 2025, while urging members to increase their production capacity:
euronews.com/my-europe/2025/07…
... näytä lisääI think that what may be going on here is that Russia has had more artillery shell manufacturing capability than NATO (or did earlier in the year; not sure what the present situation is). Mark Rutte --- as Secretary General of NATO --- highlighted this about halfway through 2025, while urging members to increase their production capacity:
euronews.com/my-europe/2025/07…
As best I can tell, Russian media grabbed the quote about artillery shell manufacture and ran with it, presenting it in such a way as to convey an impression that Russia has more military-industrial capacity as a whole than NATO does. I imagine that that plays well with domestic audiences, but...
Is Russia producing a year's worth of NATO ammunition in three months?
Mared Gwyn Jones (Euronews.com)Tuukka R
in reply to tal • •What's good to keep in mind is that Russian (actually: Soviet) artillery is extremely imprecise.
If you want to hit a specific target using Russian-made artillery, you need to shoot, on average, about 10 times as many shots as you would with western artillery. The Russian artillery is just as good as the western one when your goal is to obliterate everything in a large area, but if you've got a specific target, the 10x multiplier does apply!
So, the Russia is very capable of destroying cities with its artillery, but that won't win you any wars. If you want to compare Russian ammo production capacity in terms of how many enemy military objects they are able to destroy, you need to divide the Russian production numbers by ten.
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AWistfulNihilist
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in reply to Tuukka R • • •RedAggroBest
in reply to censoring_corruption_allegations • • •NATO_TRUTH
in reply to tal • • •Crazy what you can do when you bribe politicians am I right.
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theunknownmuncher
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in reply to AWistfulNihilist • • •"NATO can't fight a war", but also, "NATO will conquer and subjugate the Russian people"?
Which is it? 🤔
ArxCyberwolf
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in reply to AWistfulNihilist • • •Saw this gem yesterday
Cause the we all know the Jewish president is an open Nazi supporting a whole government of Nazis 🙄
rockerface🇺🇦
in reply to AWistfulNihilist • • •From the same thread by the same Cowbee: "Russia is achieving all their goals, because they aren't trying to take all of Ukraine".
Ah yes, we achieved all of our goals because we just swapped the goals we failed at for goals we've already achieved.
Eldritch
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in reply to rockerface🇺🇦 • • •'I totally don't support Russia, guys'
'Russia is doing such a good job!'
goat
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in reply to goat • • •yeah sorry, it might be because my grandma died of anemia at the hospital, both my parents are in burnout, there's no money anywhere meanwhile we're buying F-35s from a bunch of cronies because of UkrAine.
The war is a subsidy to weapon industry on both sides. Nothing else. Ukraine can suck my balls.
If you want support for your cause maybe using it to do austerity isn't the best fucking way.
SlartyBartFast
in reply to AWistfulNihilist • • •censoring_corruption_allegations
in reply to SlartyBartFast • • •Predict that
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incendiary unmanned aerial vehicle
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in reply to AWistfulNihilist • • •When the NATO simps calls putin corrupted, they're just potkettling.
Say no to campism. No to jingoism. No to the idiot mod here who spread genocidal propaganda during the gaza genocide.
goat
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in reply to goat • • •Look at yourself censoring corruption allegations from a credible source lmao.
Do you sometime wonder if you're the baddie?
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classy_am_i_right
in reply to censoring_corruption_allegations • • •@goat Look at yourself mate. You became the monster you swore to destroy. An useful idiot simping for a genocidal military complex.
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